Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

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Which old song is "Harvester of Souls" ?

1. Battlefield
3
38%
2. Under the Ice
1
13%
3. Punishment Divine
1
13%
4. The Soulforged
1
13%
5. Otherland
0
No votes
6. Road Of No Release
0
No votes
7. The Prophecies
0
No votes
8. And the Story Ends
1
13%
9. Precious Jerusalem
0
No votes
10. The Script for My Requiem
0
No votes
11. Theatre of Pain
0
No votes
13. At The Edge Of Time
1
13%
 
Total votes: 8

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#301 Post by priderock » 07 Sep 2019 06:19

Ok, to be honest.., I couldn't resist listening to the song :oops:

Right now, a few things come to my mind.
First of all, this song contains their most majestic and gigantic chorus(if we can talk about chorus, since this is not exactly a song structure...). This part is probably bigger and more majestic than every choir moment I have heard in the classical music... All of this makes me curious to know, how far this album can get with the other songs :)
On the other hand, the song has some weird and not typical B.G. moments, but let's not forged that this is not a typical album, this a musical/opera as it seems...

Right now, I'm blown away... the moment "Find the key to be free.." is something magnificent as well and something that I really need, as someone wrote also above...
My last thought is once again: how far this album can go, if once again they kept the tradition to release a song as a "single" that contains just a little from the whole piece...??? :)

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#302 Post by wade-newb » 07 Sep 2019 09:56

I’ve listened to this song over and over since yesterday and it sounds completely different now than my first listen. Really loving it a lot.
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#303 Post by Led Guardian » 08 Sep 2019 04:18

priderock wrote:
07 Sep 2019 06:11
Led Guardian wrote:
07 Sep 2019 03:48
priderock wrote:
01 Sep 2019 12:00
"The single will be This Storm. It was composed during the "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" songwriting and was the first track composed for the orchestral album. Dark Cloud's Rising was the second song composed also during "Nightfall".It has a "Shire"(from LOTR)-mood. These informations are from "Deaf Forever", a Heavy Metal print magazine.The german press was invited to listen to the whole album already in the beginning of July." Just read that info :D

P.S. Also read which song does "Harvester of Souls" is.., but since it's a major spoiler, I'm not sure I want to write it just like that :D But, if it's true, than I'm more than happy since this is maybe my favourite B.G. song and here it will appear even bigger as it seems :twisted:
I'm curious to know as well, since I can't read the article.
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#304 Post by LLAG » 09 Sep 2019 17:40

I have to admit that in the first listening to Point of no retorn I expected something different, more energetic, but after listening to it several times I find it delicious. The nuances in Hansi's voice are immeasurable!

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#305 Post by priderock » 09 Sep 2019 17:40

So, after 3 days of listening to Point of No Return, I'm still blown away how big the chorus part is... Seriously, what source is this... I mean.., WOW, it' just ubelivable.. It's like thousands and thousands of voices.... I expected something big, but this is even heard to believe...

"... A new breeze.., a new dawn.., a new day..." part is also out of this world... All in all, I'm speechless at the moment...

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#306 Post by Led Guardian » 13 Sep 2019 05:11

I was actually underwhelmed by the song when I first listened to it. I liked it a bit better the second time, but it's still not blowing me away. It's got sort of the same problem as At the Edge of Time (the song), where every time there's an interesting melodic idea, it eventually wanders off into something more generic, like the idea was never quite finished. For example, the Point of No Return chorus, which is just big orchestra hits and choir. Meh. I really like some of the ideas and parts in this song (for example, the intro up to the "Ages" segment and bit after the first chorus, the "Come along" part), but it feels like the composition was sort of like "Here's a cool melody someone thought of, annnd then some other stuff happens in between *vague hand wavy-gestures*, and then here's another cool melody." Hansi's lyrics also don't seem to flow as well as they usually do in this song.

I dunno, maybe the fact that I listen to classical music some has given me the wrong expectations for what this album will be. Like, if I compare it to movements from things like Dvorak's New World Symphony, or Holst's The Planets, or Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain, there's not really any comparison. I mean, Andre and Hansi are not classical composers, so the album's bound to be more a fusion of classical orchestration and a more pop/metal/soundtrack compositional sensibility, but it's hard to listen to something with classical orchestration and not compare it to classical music.

Still, I'm looking forward to hearing the full album, and hopefully it will all grow on me.
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#307 Post by priderock » 13 Sep 2019 05:56

I know what you talk about, but the final chorus part is already bigger than any classical choral moment... Even Carmina burana or Ninth Wave are kinda small to this one :) This even raises my expectations in terms of gigantic and "unseen proportions" in this album, as the band stated Anyway, what you talk about comes to me in the final 10secs when the music starts to be really motivational. Hope this melody finds a true development in some of the next pieces. I also hope that the classical approach will be higher in the whole album.., at least that's how I imagined it during all this years. To me, Point of No Return is more like a musical with significantly big and epic classical choral part. It has this gigantic Lord of the Rings/Wagner feeling and a lot of deep emotions in it... Anyway, I still think that the rest of the album will be more classical. The final part of At The Edge Of Time(the song) already gave me really high expectations a few years ago.

But, right now, Point of No Return completely fills my expectations... It's gigantic, epic, full of emotions and bombastic as hell...It has everything in it

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#308 Post by Traveller in Time » 14 Sep 2019 18:20

Led Guardian wrote:
13 Sep 2019 05:11
I was actually underwhelmed by the song when I first listened to it. I liked it a bit better the second time, but it's still not blowing me away. It's got sort of the same problem as At the Edge of Time (the song), where every time there's an interesting melodic idea, it eventually wanders off into something more generic, like the idea was never quite finished. For example, the Point of No Return chorus, which is just big orchestra hits and choir. Meh. I really like some of the ideas and parts in this song (for example, the intro up to the "Ages" segment and bit after the first chorus, the "Come along" part), but it feels like the composition was sort of like "Here's a cool melody someone thought of, annnd then some other stuff happens in between *vague hand wavy-gestures*, and then here's another cool melody." Hansi's lyrics also don't seem to flow as well as they usually do in this song.

I dunno, maybe the fact that I listen to classical music some has given me the wrong expectations for what this album will be. Like, if I compare it to movements from things like Dvorak's New World Symphony, or Holst's The Planets, or Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain, there's not really any comparison. I mean, Andre and Hansi are not classical composers, so the album's bound to be more a fusion of classical orchestration and a more pop/metal/soundtrack compositional sensibility, but it's hard to listen to something with classical orchestration and not compare it to classical music.

Still, I'm looking forward to hearing the full album, and hopefully it will all grow on me.
After first listening i felt like you. It was a bit disappointed at first, but i have to say it grows on me with every further listening. Some parts just fly by to the next climax. "While i head into the storm.." is my favourite part besides the explosion on "find the key to be free". But when it is right that this song is the closest to BG music then there are a lot more suprises to come. So really i can't complain and after several listenings i like it more and more, although there is some feeling left that it was not their top song where every note every detail was turned twice around to make it perfect in BG terms. Well expectations after 23 years are really high :wink:
In comparison to Children of the smith point of no return is a bit weaker. This one really blew me away especially Hansis singing.
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#309 Post by priderock » 14 Sep 2019 20:19

Point of no return to be weaker than Children of the Smith... This must be a joke... Children of The Smith is a good song, but can be easily be forgotten after a while - it's good, but there's nothing genius in it... Point of no Return on the other hand is gigantic piece of art.. Yes, it tooks a few listens, but after that, the size of it just can't leave your head... I'm amazed that someone can compare it with Children of The Smith :/

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#310 Post by Traveller in Time » 14 Sep 2019 21:01

you are right it is not comparable, children of the smith had no 23 years in the making (composing wise), nor such a big orchestra or production, nor was it composed by BG, its purpose was a game soundtrack, not a lifetime work and contains e-guitars. None or less i prefer Hansis singing there more and somehow i have the feeling they speed up with the vocal recordings (like Led Guardian said that missing flow of lyrics) to get it done. just my 2cents.

Don't get me wrong it's a masterpiece but still there is a feeling that it is not that perfect song, you expected them to deliver. Again just my opinion. Maybe a temporarily mood or just overhyped ;-)
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#311 Post by Traveller in Time » 24 Sep 2019 18:26

nice one:

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#312 Post by Traveller in Time » 24 Sep 2019 18:28

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#313 Post by Warmoth » 25 Sep 2019 18:00

Does anyone know exactly what this is?
https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte ... ition.html

Looks like a double LP of the standard album, and the same thing as Instrumental only. Makes sense. But the "Audiobook version as LP"? Does that mean the Audiobook version of the album will actually have different audio? Maybe it's a collection of spoken interludes?

I'm getting ready to pre-order. It's looking like I will never order from NB US ever again. Why do they have so little on there? And the pricing is stupid. Even with overseas shipping NB DE is cheaper. The piece I linked seems like a great deal for instance.

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#314 Post by Warmoth » 25 Sep 2019 18:39

Did anyone else notice at the end of the 2nd trailer, very quietly, the "At the Edge of Time" outro? Is this the new version of OLD song we've been teased about for so long? Or is it just the video outro music, unrelated to the choir that was singing? lol.

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#315 Post by priderock » 25 Sep 2019 22:04

Warmoth wrote:
25 Sep 2019 18:39
Did anyone else notice at the end of the 2nd trailer, very quietly, the "At the Edge of Time" outro? Is this the new version of OLD song we've been teased about for so long? Or is it just the video outro music, unrelated to the choir that was singing? lol.
Yes, they spoiled it by themselves actually. The bigger question here is: are those choirs connected to it, or not. Btw, The choirs sound so amazing and elegic. Can't stop listening to those parts. Actually, we can also hear a bit of "Where do we go from here" part, which leads me to another question: are those moments recorded already in the end of 2013 when At the edge of time and Harvester of Souls were recorded? If so, then these choirs are probably from Harvester of Souls? :/ But I might be wrong, actually. The outro of At the Edge of Time sounds great with them, actually.

P.S. After these trailer, I can hear the classical approach I was expecting :twisted:

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#316 Post by Nahar » 02 Oct 2019 15:41

https://youtu.be/fzCR7bqM2Eg

So we get a few more fragments... Sounds good to me, but listened only once.

What do you think?
Anyone can translate important bits?..
"As darkness came it brought along silence.
Yet silence also bears madness.
Silence surrounds me - a deathly silence"...

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#317 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 02 Oct 2019 16:19

Further confirmation that Harvester of Souls = At the Edge of Time.

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#318 Post by Traveller in Time » 03 Oct 2019 22:03

one of the first reviews [german]:

https://www.metal.de/specials/blind-gua ... on-391357/

i can try to translate it, if wanted.
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#319 Post by priderock » 03 Oct 2019 22:30

Traveller in Time wrote:
03 Oct 2019 22:03
one of the first reviews [german]:

https://www.metal.de/specials/blind-gua ... on-391357/

i can try to translate it, if wanted.
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#320 Post by Ryu » 04 Oct 2019 09:01

https://youtu.be/9Wsa7AY87nE

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#321 Post by Nahar » 04 Oct 2019 16:41

I love it!

Two songs already with an only twice repeated chorus.
Interesting change...

Feels like it's leaning towards being "a musical", but somehow in a good sense. BtRM had something of this approach, but this naturally has more of it.
"As darkness came it brought along silence.
Yet silence also bears madness.
Silence surrounds me - a deathly silence"...

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#322 Post by Traveller in Time » 04 Oct 2019 17:45

..it is just a matter of tiiiime 8)
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#323 Post by Traveller in Time » 04 Oct 2019 18:43

Well tried my best. I did only translate the interesting part. The first part is about arriving at the studio, getting offered some cake, things getting started... an introduction
[..]
And then there it is blowing massivly out of the stereo.
"1618 Overture":
cineatic to the fullest. Everything is in there, what BG is capable of and what they have learned since NIME. First goosebumps moments.
The following audio play interlude is beyond any doubt like all the other on the album.
"War feeds war" is the first "full" song. At the first a bit hard to handle, because the instruments of a rock/metal band are missing. Neverthless everything harmonizes with everything and Hansi's voice suits perfect to the arrangements of the orchestra.
"Dark clouds rising": a view far beyond their regular music, even some musical elements. Sounds strange but works perfect.
"In The Underworld" is like his name darker than the other songs and creates a threatening atmopshere. Well done."The Great Ordeal" is a track which is closest to a regular BG song (arrangement wise) and the first unremarkable song.
"In The Red Dwarf’s Tower" has typical BG hooklines, which seems better shaped for the song, together with a genius bridge with a great mix of emotional singing and Hansi's screaming. This kind of music can be close described as aggressive.
"Treason" is a song in which you realize that Hansi learned a lot from the collaboration with Arjen Lucassen. The music reminds on Ayreon. With drums and guitars this song would have fitted perfectly to NIME.
"Point of No return" is an absolute highlight of the album.
This epic track houses all BG trademarks, but is of course reduced musicwise and hosts a mighty choir.
"Nephilim" is dream-like. Hansi uses a lot of different voices, layering over each other. It has a demanding approach.
"Harvester of souls" scores with a slow/carried melody which is sung over hecic instrumental music. But even this song loses against its forerunner.
"This storm" gains again with the help of a typical BG refrain and develops into score music.
The final song "Beyond the wall" can be again named as highlight. because Hansi goes high and low with his voice, of which he is mostly not capable of at his major band. A reason might be that Hansi has not to deal with the heavyness of a rock band, Andre says in an interview. Another bonus, you get guitars in the end, although it is just accoustic ones.
The intensity reaches almost metal style.
All in all Andre and Hansi worked a really long time on that album and i personally was surprised that the other BG members were not involved. But the quality is very high and pays of the waiting time and shows that Hansi and Andre (once again) did everything right.[..]
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#324 Post by Nahar » 04 Oct 2019 21:52

Thanks!
Some interesting things there.

So the rest of the band had no part at all in the final output?.. I thought they could at least vote on stuff... Interesting...

Anyway, I'm really hyped after getting a second song. Didn't expect that...
"As darkness came it brought along silence.
Yet silence also bears madness.
Silence surrounds me - a deathly silence"...

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#325 Post by Traveller in Time » 04 Oct 2019 23:13

Translation by Andre's track by track preview (german Rock Hard):

War feeds war:
After "the storm" it was the second orchestral song which we have written during the NIME songwriting pocess around 1996 and 1997.
With this song we made the decisio not release these kind of tracks on the NIME album. Leaving out those two orchestral tracks meant that we we had to compose two other songs for the album. That is why it was a tough decision for us.

Dark Cloud's rising:
One of the early compositions. In these days we were still going for the Tolkien concept and Dark cloud's rising is highly inspirated by "The Hobbit".
This is how Hobbiton sounds for me. The track was evolved during the process and changed within the last years.

In The Underworld:
There i had the way to Sauron in mind, which leads through dark passages. You already could hear in the first version that we constantly improved with programming of the orchestration. For me this song out of 4 was my favourite, which ruled/killed them all.

The Great Ordeal:
This track was composed during ANATO songwriting process. At that time i was really into role-playing games and tried out to focus on fantasy topics and soundtracks.
There we started to leave Tolkien topics. The movies were already published and there was a big hype for this topic.
Before it was a thing for insiders, only nerds knew of.
We had the feeling that we have to get away from this theme, else we would have looked like copycats.

In The Red dwarf's tower:
It is one of my absolute favourites. I went too far with it.I wanted to break bonds and even breaking through the structures/barriers of an classic orchestration.
I left all the rules behind, i used rhythm instruments in a very experimental way and many sounds got distorted.
That is how i imagine a fantasy soundtrack. Hansi made it shine with adding an outstanding singing and singing rythm. That hit me really hard. This track is one of the most inovative ones on the album, anything like that has never been done before.

Treason:
I looked up some chapters of Lord of the rings for inspiration. With treason i tried to express in tones the slow- and heaviness of treebeard, whose inside hosts an enourmous force.
Again a song for nerds (laughter)

Point Of No return:
We were often disturbed during song writing process by touring.
It was difficult to continue and getting back to the feeling for composing after half a year.
Point of no return is one of these, which was untouched for years.
It was finished only two or three years ago, although first ideas came up in 2005. I got inspired from the atmopshere of a role playing game, in which i have been really into it these days.

Nephilim
Nephilim is a sad, tragic track, in which i wanted to express deep pain. In this part of the story, which inspired me, many important people had died.
That is why i tried to compose something dramatic dark.
The song but also has heroic moments.

Harvester of Souls

For me this track feels like your a sitting in a submarine and dive deep into the ocean.
This song seemed to be difficult. Hansi could not get along with it. But somehow he has found a way for his singing. The atmopshere first did not suit to fantasy topics, it sounded close to avantgard music.
Then we tried to transcript it into a rock song, which we both prefered. The song was then released on BTRM as "At The Edge of Time". Later Hansi and i listened to the orchestral version again, looked at each other and said:
"Well, it was not that fucked up".(laughs) We brought the idea back up, because its atmosphere fitted very well as part to our story.

This storm:

Like i said, this was the first song written and made the impact to start this project. if you are listening to this song, you understand why there was need to give birth to the idea for a whole album.

Beyond the Wall:
Hansi said during all those years that he needs a song that has an epic finish and shines above all. I started songwriting for this song 3 years ago, after i had rediscovered a 30seconds lasting harp track, which was meant to be an interlude.
This one i took as beginning for the track and continued from this spot and took everything which fitted. This is how the dynamic could be raised during the rest of the song.
I had already gained a lot of experience and i wanted to have a the end to be like a soundtrack. Beyond the wall is one of my favourites, which becomes very heavy in the second half. A the end we were this good that we could create some more pieces of that puzzle. This would never have been possible at the start of this project. Back then you had to take everything which came out of your mind.
In the end we had control of it.We knew how to use the tools for classic instrumentation so well, that we could precisely create a certain feeling.

EDIT: typos :roll:
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#326 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 05 Oct 2019 06:15

Nahar wrote:
04 Oct 2019 21:52
So the rest of the band had no part at all in the final output?.. I thought they could at least vote on stuff... Interesting...
They seem to be treating it as a separate band/side project. I noticed on Spotify the two singles are not listed under Blind Guardian. They're under Blind Guardian Twilight Orchestra.

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#327 Post by priderock » 05 Oct 2019 13:16

Traveller in Time!!! Thank you very much :!: It seems that the biggest epics here will be In The Red Dwarf's Tower, Harvester of Souls and maybe their biggest opus - Beyond the Wall!!!

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#328 Post by Dragonfly » 05 Oct 2019 15:41

Now this track-by-track by Andre, so kindly translated by Traveller In Time (thank you my friend!) really does put things into perspective. Detailing each song's creative process, from the Nightfall sessions and up to recent years, broadens the scope of this legendary project even more. I feel like after this album Andre will grow so much as a songwriter in everyone's eyes! Needless to say, looking forward to giving this thing a spin!

Also I see now why "At The Edge Of Time" was titled "The Ocean" during the Beyond The Red Mirror writing process - Andre sees it as a soundtrack to a submarine descent.
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#329 Post by Traveller in Time » 05 Oct 2019 20:38

priderock wrote:
05 Oct 2019 13:16
Traveller in Time!!! Thank you very much :!: It seems that the biggest epics here will be In The Red Dwarf's Tower, Harvester of Souls and maybe their biggest opus - Beyond the Wall!!!
thanks to all :oops:
Yeah it sounds really promising :D
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#330 Post by priderock » 11 Oct 2019 07:55

Traveller in Time wrote:
05 Oct 2019 20:38
priderock wrote:
05 Oct 2019 13:16
Traveller in Time!!! Thank you very much :!: It seems that the biggest epics here will be In The Red Dwarf's Tower, Harvester of Souls and maybe their biggest opus - Beyond the Wall!!!
thanks to all :oops:
Yeah it sounds really promising :D
Traveller, do you have the new "Hardline" magazine. If so, can you, please, write us the info in it? I'm sorry if I want too much, but you're like the only german native here :)
Thanks in addition, friend!

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#331 Post by Traveller in Time » 11 Oct 2019 16:52

priderock wrote:
11 Oct 2019 07:55

Traveller, do you have the new "Hardline" magazine. If so, can you, please, write us the info in it? I'm sorry if I want too much, but you're like the only german native here :)
Thanks in addition, friend!
Not yet :oops: , but it is on my radar for this weekend ;-)
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Re: Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

#332 Post by priderock » 11 Oct 2019 17:44

Traveller in Time wrote:
11 Oct 2019 16:52
priderock wrote:
11 Oct 2019 07:55

Traveller, do you have the new "Hardline" magazine. If so, can you, please, write us the info in it? I'm sorry if I want too much, but you're like the only german native here :)
Thanks in addition, friend!
Not yet :oops: , but it is on my radar for this weekend ;-)
WOW! Great to hear that! :D

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Re: Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

#333 Post by Traveller in Time » 12 Oct 2019 19:39

a pity i could not get it in shops around my town. But i ordered it online, but this means it will take till beginning of next week.
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Sorry about my bad english, but the good one is on vacation!

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Re: Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

#334 Post by priderock » 13 Oct 2019 14:06

Traveller in Time wrote:
12 Oct 2019 19:39
a pity i could not get it in shops aroóund my town. But i ordered it online, but this means it will take till beginning of next week.
Ok, thanks for the info! Don't worry, people here know how to wait :lol:

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Re: Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

#335 Post by Traveller in Time » 14 Oct 2019 23:20

So here we go. First is to mention that only Andre was interviewed for the article in Hardline magazine.
I summarized it, all in all there is no essential new stuff about the orchestra album. the article just summarizes the facts we already know:

First he is describing how it started (during NIME songwriting), he got deeper into orchestration and wrote some songs which did not fit to the NIME stuff, but they already struggled with the time schedule for NIME, but somehow they managed to write some more orchestral songs and decided to make a whole album. He describes that they were quite naiv and did not yet know about the complexity of it, but all in all they kept the songs at hold and said that they would write new parts when they had time to. So with every spin of their regular 4 years circle (album-tour) they added one or two songs to this project. After they finished ANATO they had enough songs together for an album and showed them to Charlie Bauernfeind with the task to prove it and come up with ideas how to produce such an album. Charlie responed that it is a lot of hard work, becasue you just can not program such things, and that you need a real orchestra with sheet music for every instrument.
So Hansi and Andre started to form a team to realize the needed things. This was necessary because Andre has no knowledge about reading or writing music notes. Then Andre describes that he uses keyboards and sound libraries for songwriting and stores the ideas via sequencer. He listened to the diffrenet type of instruments and picked the ones he liked. That stratedgy meant that he made sound samples which could not played by real orchestra, but hat a flair they tried to maintain later with the orchestra recordings.
One mistake for example was that he wrote a song part played by violin too low (string is missing). But Matthias Ulmer (a studied composer) helped out and suggest it to let this party played by cellos.All the arrangements were done with Matthias Ulmer and Charlie B. He then describes the problems which were created during time, so for example they had a demo running on an Atari ST and later had to be rescripted to a modern system, and so on. So they had a lot of demos. But not only for the instruments, also Hansi's singing had several ones. He had 2 to 3 different lyrics for the songs (working lyrics), when the story was decided with Markus Heitz, Hansi had two different lyrics for each song and did pick the ones which felt best.
Andre speaks about songwriting itself, that he had the freedom of having not a straight songs structure like when writing rock songs ( verse, bridge, refrain, solo), so he was absolutely free to do what he wanted.
All in all he is satisfied that the project went slowly, because they spent a lot of money on it as well. Andre even says it is beyond the most expensive BG production ever, but they put so much soul and love in it that it was worth it. But without their former success and their own studio (they could work on it whenever they had time left) it would not have been possible. They only had to travel to prague for the orchestra recordings for this project, else not.
Further he speaks about delays like Bg activities or Hansi had to find the suitable time for recordings and so on.
Then he is talking about that they used the old speakers of NIME, because they first searched via agencies for suitable ones, but further the process went the more they came back to their former speakers. Because the music still has this Tolkien approach, but had to skip that topic because of maybe copyright issues and because of the success and popularity of the movies in general (they did not want to look like copycats). Then he describe show they got in contact with Markus Heitz and that a comic was made for the album as well, but the artist could not keep the deadline. But they might pick the stuff up for a later release.
Andre denies a orchestral tour, but says one or two events might be possible (big festival, single concert etc), but then they need additional singers to present it like a musical.
In the end they speak about the upcoming BG album: Andre used the time Hansi was buys with D&W and wrote most of the songs in raw condition. They plan to hit the studio next year to spend a year with producing the new album. So a 2021 release might be possible.

in short:
- most expensive BG production ever
- Matthias Ulmer and Charlie helped a lot with orchestration and arrangement
- Songwriting took until ANATO was done (adding 1 or two songs with every songwriting for regular BG albums)
- several demos for each songs, even many lyric versions
- comic of the story on hold, maybe a future release
- No live tour for this orchestra project, just one ort two special shows with additional guest singers (nothing planned so far)
- new regular BG album: start recording/producing next year. Maybe finsihed 2021
Sorry about my bad english, but the good one is on vacation!

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Re: Blind Guardian's Twilight Orchestra - "Legacy of the Dark Lands" (The Orchestral Project)

#336 Post by priderock » 15 Oct 2019 08:41

Thank you for the info, Traveller!!! Thanks to you, we - the non german members here - can also know everything that is published about this gigantic project! Thank you again!!! You're such a help :!: :!: :!:

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