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#1 Post by End Of An Era » 28 Apr 2009 13:16

pretty disturbing if you ask me..

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#2 Post by Joost » 28 Apr 2009 13:32

The swine flu virus first detected in Mexico can no longer be contained and countries should focus on mitigating its effects, a top UN official said.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8021827.stm
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#3 Post by End Of An Era » 28 Apr 2009 15:47

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#4 Post by ThePKH » 28 Apr 2009 16:04

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#6 Post by Orodaran » 28 Apr 2009 19:35

Well, did you all think the human race would have lived forever?
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#7 Post by Cerbere » 29 Apr 2009 00:42

omg im so fucking scared, if i stop posting for at least a month, assume the worst

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#8 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 29 Apr 2009 01:10

i havent read anything about this nor seen it on TV,sooo ... what did i miss?
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#9 Post by Lord Borbak » 29 Apr 2009 01:11

Swine flu will be about as dangerous as the West Nile Virus, SARS and bird flu were.

In other words, wake me up when something important ever happen in the world. :roll:
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#10 Post by Skyclad » 29 Apr 2009 02:39

No real news story here. 36,000 Americans die every year from regular influenza... why all the hub-bub over this?
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#11 Post by Melinda » 29 Apr 2009 03:08

Bender B. Rodriguez wrote:i havent read anything about this nor seen it on TV,sooo ... what did i miss?
Really? Where have you been? It was also said there were a couple cases here in Valparaiso, but I think it was only a rumour..
Skyclad wrote:No real news story here. 36,000 Americans die every year from regular influenza... why all the hub-bub over this?
It's because it has turned into a pandemia, wich means it has already affected countries from different continents. Also this virus had mutated, so currently there's no proper treatment or vaccine for it.

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#12 Post by Lord Borbak » 29 Apr 2009 03:34

It's because it has turned into a pandemia
No.
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#13 Post by Melinda » 29 Apr 2009 04:11

Lord Borbak wrote:
It's because it has turned into a pandemia
No.
Ok, not technically according to WHO, but the fact H1N1 swine flu has been catalogued under phase 4 of pandemic alert means there's been a significant increase in risk of a pandemia.

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#14 Post by Lord Borbak » 29 Apr 2009 04:21

An increase in risk is far from being a pandemia.
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#15 Post by Melinda » 29 Apr 2009 04:50

Pandemia is also epidemic affecting different countries around the world, produced by a new virus that may cause more severe condition because there's no population inmune to it. So that's why all the concern about it, and I put emphasis on that. Everything else is mere technicalities.

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#16 Post by Skyclad » 29 Apr 2009 05:16

People take various forms of influenza from the U.S. to Europe, from Europe to the U.S. every year.
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#17 Post by t.a.j. » 29 Apr 2009 06:59

But lots of people are immune to most common influenza viruses, limiting their spread and the danger is that existing immunities might not help against a new virus, which could then affect a massive number of people.

Of course, what people are scared of is not how many people get infected but getting infected themselves. So far, getting a more common old school influenza is a much bigger risk, but that might change.

Panic of course is less dependent on actual risks and events than on media reporting. It sure scares me and I'm rational enough to know it's an irrational fear.
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#18 Post by Medea » 29 Apr 2009 10:03

Skyclad wrote:No real news story here. 36,000 Americans die every year from regular influenza... why all the hub-bub over this?
At least it keeps our mind away from the financial crisis.... Guess the media need a new hype :?

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#19 Post by faery » 29 Apr 2009 10:15

I just read from a girl who has a virologist as a boyfriend (you know them too Tex, the couple we had fries with after that thing in Amersfoort), and he is getting quite annoyed with all the drama that is created by the news and everything. I wasn't that worried anyway, but when someone like him (who knows stuff about it) says it, it shows my gut-feeling was right.

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#20 Post by ThePKH » 29 Apr 2009 14:28

Look at the bright side. If this gets totally out of hand and lots of people die, it opens jobs for others in these times of economic trouble.
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#21 Post by Tanelorn » 29 Apr 2009 14:38

Not now...

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#22 Post by Joost » 29 Apr 2009 16:01

Hey, you Germans have your first swine flu case already. :P
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#23 Post by Traveller in Time » 29 Apr 2009 23:30

Joost wrote:Hey, you Germans have your first swine flu case already. :P
That is because everybody wants to visit us :lol:
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#24 Post by Led Guardian » 29 Apr 2009 23:35

We've now had our first death. Guess that means we're beating you. Oh boy.
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#25 Post by Joost » 30 Apr 2009 10:36

faery wrote:I just read from a girl who has a virologist as a boyfriend (you know them too Tex, the couple we had fries with after that thing in Amersfoort), and he is getting quite annoyed with all the drama that is created by the news and everything. I wasn't that worried anyway, but when someone like him (who knows stuff about it) says it, it shows my gut-feeling was right.
The drama is indeed over the top but, that said, it's still the first time in 40 years that the WHO put the pandemic alert at stage 5. So, in that sense, the risk seems to be more serious now than with SARS and the avian flu.

And it's not just the media that have out of the ordinary reactions. The EU is considering banning all travel to Mexico, and while sometimes recommendations are given not to travel to certain countries, banning all travel to a country is a thing that I don't remember ever happening before.
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#26 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 30 Apr 2009 12:50

well, it's quite an Epigemic...
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#27 Post by Skyclad » 30 Apr 2009 15:01

Some countries have banned U.S. pork, even though you get the swine flu through the air, not by eating the meat of a pig. :lol:
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#28 Post by ThePKH » 30 Apr 2009 16:07

Swine flew! These truly are miraculous times!
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#29 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 01 May 2009 01:09

Melinda wrote:
Bender B. Rodriguez wrote:i havent read anything about this nor seen it on TV,sooo ... what did i miss?
Really? Where have you been? It was also said there were a couple cases here in Valparaiso, but I think it was only a rumour..
hehe,i hate the news so i never watch them.usually i only come to know stuff like this reading forums,The news are definately not for me(except for a couple of songs from Huey Louies and The news :lol: )

anyway...News=Paranoia,not my cup of tea
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#30 Post by Beren Ercharmion » 01 May 2009 11:02

Joost wrote:[So, in that sense, the risk seems to be more serious now than with SARS and the avian flu.
More dangerous than bird flu and SARS... I'm impressed. :roll:

I agree with Borbak, it's the same shit all over again, they keep coming around with the latest virus we're all gone die from every couple of years.

And they even got proper medicine for this one stocked....
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#31 Post by Mahoora » 01 May 2009 12:56

Medea wrote:
Skyclad wrote:No real news story here. 36,000 Americans die every year from regular influenza... why all the hub-bub over this?
At least it keeps our mind away from the financial crisis.... Guess the media need a new hype :?
I totally agree, I mean it's all seems like an action movie for the media! Look back at Bird Flu and you'll figure it out: how many people died after all those hub-bub? like 300 :? c'mon hundreds times more, ppl die from car accidents, so we should ban cars in this case! besides Bird Flu was more dangerous in spreading because pigs can't fly :( Also, in third worls countries, some gouvernements started to take stupid actions and ordered to execute all swines available! even without paying the farmers! so who's gonna look up for those poor gyus? the WHO ? I don't think so. So I say: enough with this bull shit, the world doesn't need another human made disaster :evil:
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#32 Post by Joost » 01 May 2009 15:14

Skyclad wrote:Some countries have banned U.S. pork, even though you get the swine flu through the air, not by eating the meat of a pig. :lol:
That's nothing. Egypt actually decided to kill all pigs within the borders of the country. :shock:
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#33 Post by Metal Fan » 01 May 2009 18:31

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... e-Flu.aspx
As of May 1, 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 331 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection and only ten deaths in the ENTIRE world from this illness. At this time ALL of the deaths are from people born in Mexico.
If you ask me whoever created the thing is raciest.

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But "officially' the most recent numbers according to the World Health Organization's Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response site are:

Country Cases Deaths
Mexico 156 9
United States 109 1*
Canada 34 0
Spain 13 0
United Kingdom 8 0
Germany 3 0
New Zealand 3 0
Israel 2 0
Switzerland 1 0
Austria 1 0
Netherlands 1 0

*The United States has had 109 confirmed cases, and one death BUT no deaths from US Citizens. On April 29th CNN reported the first swine fatality in the US, however this was actually a child from Mexico that died in Texas.
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#34 Post by Belgarion » 02 May 2009 02:11

It must suck to die from such a stupid disease. It has no honor.
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#35 Post by Joost » 02 May 2009 02:30

Belgarion wrote:It must suck to die from such a stupid disease. It has no honor.
You sound like Worf from Star Trek now. :P
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#36 Post by Led Guardian » 02 May 2009 02:54

What I'm hearing now is it's a rather mild strain, not very deadly at all...
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#37 Post by Cerbere » 02 May 2009 03:52

Everyone in my school is freaked out about it, and even one of the teachers said the school might close if it gets worse, and there are not even any confirmed cases in colorado...

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#38 Post by t.a.j. » 02 May 2009 12:23

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#39 Post by t.a.j. » 02 May 2009 12:28

Metal Fan wrote:http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... e-Flu.aspx
As of May 1, 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 331 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection and only ten deaths in the ENTIRE world from this illness. At this time ALL of the deaths are from people born in Mexico.
If you ask me whoever created the thing is raciest.
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like, because pigs = smelly ;)
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#40 Post by Medea » 04 May 2009 10:51

back on killing all the pigs...

It's total bullshit to do that (I believe the WHO also stated that)... It is passed from human to human and maybe a little from pig to human.. However, as far as I know, it doesn't pass from pig to pig.

It wás called swine flu (it has changed to mexican flu at least in the netherlands), because there is some DNA of the swine variant of the virus in this one. As there is also a part of the DNA of the bird variant, it wouldn't be fair to blame the pigs :wink:

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#41 Post by Raistlin Majere » 04 May 2009 14:02

I have also heard some opinions that swine flu is a man-made virus in order to sell the vaccine.
Many people do horrible things just to make money, that's not something new :(
Wars (see war in Iraq to take the oil) are done in order to gain money...
With a virus it's even easier. Noone knows whether it is man-made and therefore accusations are not proof.
In the case of swine flu it's hard to say whether it was made in a laboratory or not. My opinion is that if they could make the virus, they would do it...

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#42 Post by Lord Borbak » 04 May 2009 14:40

Raistlin Majere wrote:I have also heard some opinions that swine flu is a man-made virus in order to sell the vaccine.
Many people do horrible things just to make money, that's not something new :(
Wars (see war in Iraq to take the oil) are done in order to gain money...
With a virus it's even easier. Noone knows whether it is man-made and therefore accusations are not proof.
In the case of swine flu it's hard to say whether it was made in a laboratory or not. My opinion is that if they could make the virus, they would do it...
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#43 Post by End Of An Era » 04 May 2009 14:50

Medea wrote:back on killing all the pigs...

It's total bullshit to do that
yep, but mankind never stops to be stupid. Weird Al even made song about it! ;)

@Raistlin Majere: if there is such an organisation which deals in things like this, a flu is the least of your worries.. ;)

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#44 Post by Led Guardian » 04 May 2009 21:39

They haven't even made a vaccine to sell yet. Please, no conspiracy theories.
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#45 Post by Raistlin Majere » 06 May 2009 15:54

They haven't even made a vaccine to sell yet. Please, no conspiracy theories.
Ok.. no conspiracy theories, but at least in Greece, the national organisation for medicines has prohibited the export of Relenza and Tamiflu to assure there is enough reserve.

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#47 Post by Hagen von Tronje » 20 May 2009 16:30

Skyclad wrote:No real news story here. 36,000 Americans die every year from regular influenza... why all the hub-bub over this?
That's kind of been my reaction initially, too. And I guess it still is. From what I gathered, the only thing that sets this influenza virus apart from the regular strains that recur every odd year is its ability to be passed from animal to man, and that it probably(?) originated among the animals. But it hasn't proven any deadlier than any of the yearly outbreaks of the influenza everywhere in the world.

How high was the mortality rate of this thing outside of Mexico?

And why the hell would you try to engineer a contagion based on the influenza virus? A virus that is so common nowadays that it's like that humans can adapt to it easily, and to which vaccines can easily be manufactured?

Maybe it's the goat flu next year.. stay tuned.

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#48 Post by eolas » 20 May 2009 16:35

I hope god chooses the flies next time and they all die at the same time, maybe then, this world would be a better place...
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#49 Post by End Of An Era » 20 May 2009 17:15

lucky me there is no god :P

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#50 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 20 May 2009 17:31

beware of the TIT FLU!
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