@all Manowar haters

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last.fm · #1 Post by **Joost** » 23 Nov 2011 10:08

So, let me get this clear... you seriously think this sucks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfUe2B8wjiI

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwlN1-0QJnk

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avi4ekuLdjc

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1woxkraClg

If you're inclined to answer yes to any, or to all, of these questions, I'm afraid I have to conclude that you really have no taste. To me this is really some of the best music in the metal genre...

t.a.j. · #2 Post by **t.a.j.** » 23 Nov 2011 10:51

\m/

Andreas · #3 Post by **Andreas** » 23 Nov 2011 11:01

I wouldn't say it "sucks". But I don't get what's so great about them either, it's pretty standard.

Anyway, I'm not a Manowar hater, I just don't care about them.

Gandalf de Grijze · #4 Post by **Gandalf de Grijze** » 23 Nov 2011 11:50

Musically I don't dislike them much, I can't stand the sound of the vocalist though. But mostly I think the band and the die-hard fans take their "we are the only ones who know what metal truely is about" attitude waaaaay too seriously. And I truely believe that this band, even with a couple of great songs, is waaaay overrated.

kalrhael · #5 Post by **kalrhael** » 23 Nov 2011 18:30

No matter how old I get, one thing that I love about Manowar is their camaraderie, I love the us vs the world attitude in metal, gives you a sense of belonging, I wonder if it was them that spearheaded that mood? Or maybe it was always there because of metal's inherent niche? Either way, they've perfected that mood, and it's always fun when metal bands embrace it.

Although if anyone tells me manowar sucks, I just direct them to heart of steel - that song can lift anyone up in the darkest of times, truly a masterpiece. They're definitely one of the go-to bands when you're in a slump, and life's gotten rough.

t.a.j. · #6 Post by **t.a.j.** » 23 Nov 2011 18:51

I find their image and metal brother bullshit rather amusing, but I deeply admire the massive and epic music they made with what is really more or less the same set up as AC/DC. If you look at today's metal scene, with everyone trying to outorchestrate each other, Manowar did basically the same thing during the early to mid 80ties and they achieved so much with so little.
Certainly, starting with Fighting The World quite weak moments started to show up, but those early albums are metal masterpieces.

#7 Post by **Orodaran** » 23 Nov 2011 21:29

t.a.j. wrote:I find their image and metal brother bullshit rather amusing, but I deeply admire the massive and epic music they made with what is really more or less the same set up as AC/DC.

I'm kinda with Tex on this one. The songs about being metal and how metal is metal? most of them are bullshit, even though some are good. The epic songs dealing with epic stuff? holy fucking shit they churned out some absolute MASTERPIECES of the genre.

nckissfan · #8 Post by **nckissfan** » 23 Nov 2011 22:55

I am old enough to remember when this came out, and yes, I do not like it. The singer is terrible. Some of their riffs are really cool, but for the most part, can't stand em.

T3hOverlord · #9 Post by **T3hOverlord** » 24 Nov 2011 00:13

Yeah they are pretty bad. Bought an album, tried getting into them, just didnt happen. I really love Rhapsody's cover of Power of Thy Sword though.

Andreas · #10 Post by **Andreas** » 24 Nov 2011 02:29

T3hOverlord wrote:I really love Rhapsody's cover of Power of Thy Sword though.

+ a lot

#11 Post by **Orodaran** » 24 Nov 2011 20:54

I heard it only once, it's horrible; it has nothing of the raw, brutal and epic power of the original. It was sissified.

Bender B. Rodriguez · #12 Post by **Bender B. Rodriguez** » 24 Nov 2011 21:51

i don't think it sucks...but i don't dig it either...i can definately do without it.Manowar is one of those "huge metal bands" that never caught my attention,they just bore me.

Andreas · #13 Post by **Andreas** » 24 Nov 2011 23:18

Orodaran wrote:I heard it only once, it's horrible; it has nothing of the raw, brutal and epic power of the original. It was sissified.

Weird, I find the original song very boring and dull, and Rhapsody's cover very bombastic.

#14 Post by **Orodaran** » 25 Nov 2011 00:15

That song is not meant to be bombastic. It's meant to be an "Enter in a fray of savage warriors and try to take most of them down not giving a damn fuck if you live or die in the process" kind of song.

Seriously, I was playing Hexen once (that must have been in the last millennium) and I used the reprise after the slow part (There's blood on my hands and blood in my eyes, with blood in my voice I scream as you die etc) to enter in a dark room full of enemies and try to kill them as many as possible without fear or care if I was going to die. Those were good times

Anyway, to each his own; I also heard and loved the original song for many, many years before the Rhapsody cover came along, it's impossible to replace at least 10 years of memories.

T3hOverlord · #15 Post by **T3hOverlord** » 25 Nov 2011 00:25

my complaint is the Manowar singer sounds like hes whispering whereas Fabio belts out these epic wails

Andreas · #16 Post by **Andreas** » 26 Nov 2011 13:59

Orodaran wrote:Anyway, to each his own; I also heard and loved the original song for many, many years before the Rhapsody cover came along, it's impossible to replace at least 10 years of memories.

Indeed. The feelings you describe you get from the original song, sound exactly like the feelings I get from Rhapsody's cover. So it has been a good translation for me. Besides, I heard the Rhapsody version first, and after I saw people praising the original, I expected so much of it.

T3hOverlord wrote:my complaint is the Manowar singer sounds like hes whispering whereas Fabio belts out these epic wails

This is it exactly. But as you said Oro, to each his own

corrupted old gnom · #17 Post by **corrupted old gnom** » 26 Nov 2011 17:30

Orodaran wrote:I heard it only once, it's horrible; it has nothing of the raw, brutal and epic power of the original. It was sissified.

by covering POTS, you can only lose

btw, Triumph of Steel is the newest Manowar album I own - but I assume that I would like a few of the newer songs, too...but I never really took the time to get into'em...

T3hOverlord · #18 Post by **T3hOverlord** » 27 Nov 2011 00:58

I dunno guys, just listen to the opening lines, I got goosebumps when i heard fabio sing the "Lord of battle I pray on bended knee conquest by the RISING SUUUN" then i heard the Manowar version and I was like "oh . . . thats disapointing"

t.a.j. · #19 Post by **t.a.j.** » 27 Nov 2011 02:33

The only thing I get when I hear Fabio singing is an urge to turn off the music. Horrible pronunciation not all that powerful. Eric Adams on the other hand....

last.fm · #20 Post by **Joost** » 27 Nov 2011 16:48

Oh my, Fabio's voice on this Rhapsody cover is truly horrible. Especially during the softer part in the middle, Fabio's voice isn't even a shadow of Adams's. Also, I can't say I'm exactly fond of this keyboard overload. No, for me this isn't even anywhere close to the original.

last.fm · #21 Post by **Joost** » 27 Nov 2011 16:52

Now listening to Manowar - The Power of Thy Sword. Yep: still sounds fantastic.

last.fm · #22 Post by **Joost** » 27 Nov 2011 16:54

t.a.j. wrote:I find their image and metal brother bullshit rather amusing, but I deeply admire the massive and epic music they made with what is really more or less the same set up as AC/DC. If you look at today's metal scene, with everyone trying to outorchestrate each other, Manowar did basically the same thing during the early to mid 80ties and they achieved so much with so little.
Certainly, starting with Fighting The World quite weak moments started to show up, but those early albums are metal masterpieces.

100% agreed!

last.fm · #23 Post by **Joost** » 27 Nov 2011 16:58

BTW: to all those who think Eric Adams is not a good singer: seriously? What, then, do you think of a song like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5rCnEN0AA

last.fm · #24 Post by **Joost** » 27 Nov 2011 17:08

My top ten Manowar tracks (in arbitrary order):

Blood of My Enemies
Mountains
Battle Hymn
Revelation (Death's Angel)
Bridge of Death
Secret of Steel
Guyana (Cult of the Damned)
Gates of Valhalla
Black Wind, Fire and Steel
Thor (The Powerhead)

How about yours?

#25 Post by **Orodaran** » 27 Nov 2011 17:46

Off the top of my head:

Blood of My Enemies
Mountains
March for Revenge
The Power of Thy Sword
Battle Hymn
Dark Avenger
Gates of Valhalla
Blood of the Kings
Guyana (The Cult of the Damned)
Thor

Basically, the ones you said. I'd daresay that ALL "epic" tracks (long songs, epic themes, no Metal here metal there bullshit lyrics) from the '80s are nothing short of awesome.

Gandalf de Grijze · #26 Post by **Gandalf de Grijze** » 27 Nov 2011 18:31

Joost wrote:BTW: to all those who think Eric Adams is not a good singer: seriously? What, then, do you think of a song like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5rCnEN0AA

I think his voice is still not nice to listen to, but the first 2 minutes were at least not horrible.

t.a.j. · #27 Post by **t.a.j.** » 27 Nov 2011 18:48

Goodness, a top ten. It's list time!

Each Dawn I Die
Thor (The Powerhead)
Mountains
Bridge of Death
Secret of Steel
Revelation (Death's Angel)
Blood of my Enemies
Dark Avenger
Burning
Carry On

Andreas · #28 Post by **Andreas** » 28 Nov 2011 09:22

Joost wrote:BTW: to all those who think Eric Adams is not a good singer: seriously? What, then, do you think of a song like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5rCnEN0AA

Hehe, I won't make that mistake again. Still, I'm not into his singing.

Palantyre · #29 Post by **Palantyre** » 09 Dec 2011 20:22

Everything Rhapsody do is an affront to everything metal, and that's all I'm gonna say on the subject of that cover.

Not liking Eric Adams' voice I just can't understand, but I can accept it because taste is a weird thing.

I also don't think the "metal brothers unite" schtick is bullshit or bad, and I certainly even embrace it somewhat, but that doesn't mean I don't take it with a grain of salt.
Simply put, I know it's all silly but I don't give a fuck because that's the metal way.

As for 10 fave Manowar songs.... Well, hard to say, but let's say these ones.
In no real order to speak of:

Master of The Wind
Hail And Kill
Heart of Steel
Battle Hymn
Kill With Power
Blood of The Kings
Spirit Horse of The Cherokee
The Power of Thy Sword
King of Kings
Blood of The Kings
Thor (The Powerhead)

Yes, I know that's 11. I'll let you guys to figure out the reference.

T3hOverlord · #30 Post by **T3hOverlord** » 09 Dec 2011 21:11

yeah manowar sucks

#31 Post by **Orodaran** » 10 Dec 2011 00:42

Palantyre wrote:I also don't think the "metal brothers unite" schtick is bullshit or bad, and I certainly even embrace it somewhat, but that doesn't mean I don't take it with a grain of salt.
Simply put, I know it's all silly but I don't give a fuck because that's the metal way.

Well, in the case of Manowar it's the sheer abudance of it that makes it somehow harder to bear. I have no problems, for example, with Gamma Ray's Heavy Metal Universe because it's just one song, and a very good one as well. Manowar have many metal-here metal-here nice songs as well (Brothers of Metal, The Gods Made Heavy Metal, Gloves of Metal) but they're a little too many...

Kalmari · #32 Post by **Kalmari** » 13 Feb 2012 12:09

Here's our take on Kill With Power.

Kill With Power (Manowar Cover) - Acoustic Live 21.08.2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iB0XTrH ... re=related

Dragon Guardian · #33 Post by **Dragon Guardian** » 14 Feb 2012 16:53

Their first 4 albums are the best, with my personal favorite being Sign of the Hammer.

MythsOfMetal · #34 Post by **MythsOfMetal** » 07 Mar 2014 05:00

I can't say I like them one bit. They just sound really cheesy, bland, boring and too filled with cliches for me to enjoy. Also, don't even try saying I don't have taste because I dislike them.

I dare say I could name 100 bands better than Manowar.

Also, out of curiosity, is the song "Guyana (The Cult of the Damned)" about The People's Temple members who committed mass suicide in Guyana in 1978?

Greektrooper · #35 Post by **Greektrooper** » 07 Mar 2014 19:31

How is it possible to like a band whose 9 to 10 lyrics in entire discography are hail,kill,power,die,metal,brother?? Are you serious?? Now I must admit I love Heart of Steel and master of the Wind.Great ballads that give me goosepumbs.But beyond that.......

Angus · #36 Post by **Angus** » 08 Mar 2014 02:40

Greektrooper wrote:How is it possible to not like a band whose 9 to 10 lyrics in entire discography are hail,kill,power,die,metal,brother?? Are you serious??

Dentarthurdent · #37 Post by **Dentarthurdent** » 12 Mar 2014 20:35

Born to live forevermore!

Rokubota · #38 Post by **Rokubota** » 13 Mar 2014 14:32

MythsOfMetal wrote:I can't say I like them one bit. They just sound really cheesy, bland, boring and too filled with cliches for me to enjoy. Also, don't even try saying I don't have taste because I dislike them. I dare say I could name 100 bands better than Manowar.

Also, out of curiosity, is the song "Guyana (The Cult of the Damned)" about The People's Temple members who committed mass suicide in Guyana in 1978?

Well, Metal is cheesy by itself. Manowar is just a lot closer to the image of Spinal Tap. The father of one of my best friends is a Latin jazz musician (bass player and percussionist) and he thinks that metal as a whole is a big joke. He finds the genre hilarious sometimes.

t.a.j. · #39 Post by **t.a.j.** » 13 Mar 2014 16:19

MythsOfMetal wrote:I can't say I like them one bit. They just sound really cheesy, bland, boring and too filled with cliches for me to enjoy. Also, don't even try saying I don't have taste because I dislike them. I dare say I could name 100 bands better than Manowar.

While their later albums tend to be pretty much what you describe, I find their first four albums mostly among the best of their period. Despite the idea that the lyrics are cheesy and clichéd, the weren't when Manowar started doing this. On the first albums, the lyrics are often actually well written, they do their job, are not afraid to do it, they fit the music and are very evocative. That, too, is something lost after about 1992 the latest. As far as the music goes, while simple in a particular way, was harmonically inventive and catchy. The song writing similarly was often quite good, incorporating a lot of seventies sensibilities at a time when via the NWOBH, metal had mostly abandoned it's psychedelic roots.
So, it's OK to not like it, of course. But you might consider considering that they did something right back in the 1980ties...

Also, out of curiosity, is the song "Guyana (The Cult of the Damned)" about The People's Temple members who committed mass suicide in Guyana in 1978?

Yes.
Also, this song is pretty much free of any of the metal clichés you bemoan

Dentarthurdent · #40 Post by **Dentarthurdent** » 13 Mar 2014 16:56

t.a.j. wrote:
MythsOfMetal wrote:I can't say I like them one bit. They just sound really cheesy, bland, boring and too filled with cliches for me to enjoy. Also, don't even try saying I don't have taste because I dislike them. I dare say I could name 100 bands better than Manowar.
While their later albums tend to be pretty much what you describe, I find their first four albums mostly among the best of their period. Despite the idea that the lyrics are cheesy and clichéd, the weren't when Manowar started doing this. On the first albums, the lyrics are often actually well written, they do their job, are not afraid to do it, they fit the music and are very evocative. That, too, is something lost after about 1992 the latest. As far as the music goes, while simple in a particular way, was harmonically inventive and catchy. The song writing similarly was often quite good, incorporating a lot of seventies sensibilities at a time when via the NWOBH, metal had mostly abandoned it's psychedelic roots.
So, it's OK to not like it, of course. But you might consider considering that they did something right back in the 1980ties...

Amen, brother.

Judging Manowar by "Warriors of the World" doesn't do them justice, nowhere near close. On the other hand, I wouldn't wanna listen to the stuff they released after that, either. The first couple of albums are, as t.a.j. pointed out, really great Heavy Metal.

Angus · #41 Post by **Angus** » 14 Mar 2014 04:58

But I like Warriors of the World...

nckissfan · #42 Post by **nckissfan** » 17 Mar 2014 21:17

suck? no

do I like it? NO, does nothing for me

MythsOfMetal · #43 Post by **MythsOfMetal** » 19 Mar 2014 22:04

My problem with Manowar's cheesiness is actually not only with their lyrics. In fact lyrics have never been a big part of why I'll dislike a band. To me Manowar (yes even their early stuff) just sounds bland, boring, and while it may have been fresh for it's time, it's not fresh enough anymore for me to not be able to predict where the song will be going, in a negative way, more times than not, (not all songs which are predictable are bad in my opinion though.) It's not that I despise Manowar, I just don't find any of it that special or interesting and estimate I'd rate most of their songs between 4/10 and 6/10.

t.a.j. · #44 Post by **t.a.j.** » 20 Mar 2014 08:38

Predictability being a function of familiarity, that does not seem like a reasonable criterion to evaluate 30 year old songs.

Frozen within · #45 Post by **Frozen within** » 27 Mar 2014 00:30

Of course Manowar sucks incredibly much, I thought we were passed this since 1981 ... Oh well, let's settle this thing once and for all by a fair vote, which will show that indeed Manowar sucks to a great extent :

Manowar sucks (duh) : +1

Manoway doesn't suck (yeah right) :

last.fm · #46 Post by **Joost** » 27 Mar 2014 10:26

Manowar sucks (meh) : +1

Manowar doesn't suck (BROTHERS OF METAL UNITE) : +1

Gandalf de Grijze · #47 Post by **Gandalf de Grijze** » 27 Mar 2014 14:43

Manowar sucks (and doesn't even swallow) : +2

Manowar doesn't suck (who is ever going to believe that?) : +1

Little Dragon · #48 Post by **Little Dragon** » 27 Mar 2014 15:19

Manowar sucks (no need to say more) : +3

Manowar doesn't suck (sure.

) : +1

gergor · #49 Post by **gergor** » 27 Mar 2014 20:33

Manowar sucks (for the last 25 years) : +3.5

Manowar doesn't suck ('till 1989, the year when Joey DeMaio's Sanity rode away on its Spirit Horse of the Cherokee) : +1.5

last.fm · #50 Post by **Joost** » 27 Apr 2014 00:40

Awesome duet of Eric Adams and Sarah Brightman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM_DBO0m5U8

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